Saturday, June 16, 2007

Balancing on Perceptions

Hiya! I'm Joyd, and my main character is a level 65 Paladin, which should serve as a disclaimer itself - I'm not an end-game raider, a hardcore PvPer, a guild leader or anything like that. I've never seen Molten Core, and my highest level alt is a level 23 Druid. I already know that my talents look like they were chosen at random, and I plan on cleaning them up when I reach level 70. I am interested in design theory, however, and I'd like to chat about it. In the tradition of some others, I've named the blog in the style of some other blogs I admire.

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Should a class or spec be balanced based on its actual power, or based on its perceived power? In other words, if a spec actually does a good job of helping complete successful runs when played correctly, but the common perception is that the spec is underpowered and thus members of the spec have a hard time getting group invites, should the spec be upped in power? Assume for the sake of this post that the people in charge of balance issues have access to relevant information and know more about design fundamentals than Joe WoW Player. This is not a “Ret is Fine, QQ more” post. It’s an examination of how balancing should be done, and all of the examples are merely hypotheticals. (In fact, I actively believe many of them to be false.)

Consider the following examples. I’ll be using the paladin retribution spec, often seen as a spec with no end-game role in PvP or group PvE, as an example. All of the following are hypotheticals; I do not necessarily believe that any of them is the case. You could replace ‘ret paladin’ with any other stigmatized spec. I just chose them because I’m more familiar with paladin abilities than with, say, enhancement shaman abilities.

Suppose that ret spec is fine, but that the spec tends to attract players who are less skilled at the game, and thus ret paladins appear to be less effective. In the hands of the comparatively rare skilled ret paladin player, a ret pally actually is an effective group member, but that those players are rare. Should ret tree be buffed?

Suppose that it’s possible to contribute a lot to a group as a ret pally, but most ret paladins are doing it wrong. Maybe most ret paladins are busy trying to top the DPS charts, when the most effective way to contribute is to DPS while also cleansing and making judicious use of blessings of freedom and protection and righteous defense. As a result, ret paladins seem ineffective. Should the ret tree be buffed?

Suppose that a ret paladin’s DPS is supposed to be spread out over the entire group sort of by proxy; most of his DPS comes from him hitting, but some of it comes from the additional damage others do thanks to his buffs. However, this doesn’t show up in damage meters as the ret pally doing tons of damage, so ret pallies seem ineffective. Should ret be buffed?

Suppose that ret paladins contribute a fair amount, but are still avoided due to old stigmas about the class. Old habits die hard. Should the retribution tree be made better?

Suppose that ret works reasonably well in arenas, but holy works just a bit better, so anyone really serious about arena PvP as a pally specs holy for it. As a result, ret isn’t represented in the top arena teams. Should ret’s PvP viability go up?

In all these hypothetical cases, the retribution tree is actually a viable tree, but for reasons unrelated to its actual power, it’s considered a bad spec. This is a problem for players who want to play a retribution paladin, as they will have a hard time getting into groups and may feel pressured by their guild to re-spec. The natural thing to do is to call for fixes to the tree. However, the tree isn’t broken; that’s just the public perception. Still, it’s causing players who want to play the spec problems right here, right now.

Now, I don’t know if this is what’s actually happening with any tree. However, the fact that many trees perceived as underpowered or role-less stay that way for so long suggests that this may actually be the case. Of course, I don’t have anything like the data or knowledge to pinpoint any tree that might actually be victimized in this way. What do you think? If everyone thinks a spec is poor, should it be buffed, even if it’s viable for an end-game role? Is the idea that most everyone is wrong about a spec just crazy talk?

I'm torn, myself; on one hand, it'd be cool if all (normal) specs were seen as somewhat viable end-game, but the idea of introducing actual imbalance to combat perceived imbalance is rather distasteful.

44 comments:

Ardent Defender said...

Nice Blog so far. Like the name of it too. Always interesting names for Paladin Blogs. So i be looking for the other Paladin Blogs by Name of Judgement, Blessing or Seals.

Anyway thanks for listing me on your site: Ardent Defender. I named it as such because as a Protection Paladin i love to beat up mobs in packs especially in Un'Goro. Ardent Defender before the patch saved my life more times than i can count, even when i could heal i just let it roll with Ardent Defender been kicked in to mitigate damage. So it was such i named my Blog as such. What could be better as Paladins are Ardent Defenders of their Peirs.

I've never played a Ret or ever been spec one. However i might do so as a experiment. I don't honestly know if Ret is honestly or Trully not as viable as people say. But i do belive this: Whatever is perpetuated long enough and believed by the masses will eventually believed as so to be so. If no one is Playing GOOD RETS then their is no good example to look at how the class should be played even if its a PVP spec by Blizzard.

I beileve their may indeed be some good rets out there but no one really know who they are, they may be rare players of the class. They play it because they trully may want to be Rets, hopefully they have the gear i hope. Just like Holy Paladins are easily accepted in raids for Healing as they are proven in their worth, Protection Paladins have to fight to earn their Spot as tanks because they are still rare. So may in deed be the stigma with Rets. They are never given a chance to prove them selve, so also there are not many good Rets playing the class to look at as example. It takes a few good ones to break the mold trully playing the class to the best of their ability. IF they play poorly then many will say...well Rets SUCK, were not inviting them to raids, respec Holy! Thats not a good attitude and does not help the class, no wonder barely anyone plays Ret at the higher level. Whats the solution ...i'm not sure. But i do think even if Rets by Blizzard account are PVP spec class for Paladin, i'm sure with the right talent spread in points and a trully good player they can master the class, but it will be rare.

Often people in chat starting out playing paladin ask, what spec should i play? Most people provide endless advice both good and bad. Spec Ret to level and then go Holy or Protec, because Ret will suck at higher level and you wont get invited to raids. Yeap it starts there. So thats what people do. Few will endure to really level as a Ret and really test out their spec or learn to play it. Just my preception of things.

On my Server i'm a Horde Paladin Protection Spec. However we do have one Alliance Ret Spec Paladin that as Horde we kinda respect as a Paladin and he's Retribution Spec. He's a RARE player. He's always in Orgrimmar every weekend, this Alliance Retribution Paladin. He comes to Orgrimmar and takes on everyone. Often he kills just as many lvl 70's. The guy is DAMM good, i even respect the guy. When he comes to Orgrimmar often many the players leaves him alone after he kills all the NPC's and have his fun and hey have their fun fighting with him. As a Retribution Paladin he's earn everyone respect. Now i don't know if he ever raids, but i know he's a PVP God on our server and when anyone hears his name no one doubts this guy is good. Often we all as Horde just think he has nothing better to do but been a Highly Overpowered Retribution Paladin with over 100k kills. Now i can only think in a Raid that guy can trully add something to a raid. Will most GM usually give him a chance if they have no idea who he was...dunno. But if it was me....Hell Yeah i would take the guy, his skill is unmatched in my opinion.

So what the solution....dunno, need good Rets, with good gear that trully can play their class and not just a casual playing Ret Paladin.

Anonymous said...

Interesting blog so far. I'm Reid, a 62 elemental shaman on Coilfang USA server, and I've also played a ret paladin to around 48. What I can say is that the ret tree is somewhat underpowered in some sense, as raw damage isn't buffed by much until you go deep into it to get such items as crusader strike. However, going that far into ret can leave you with few defensive talents as to keep you alive and healthy in PvP or PvE. I've done some snooping on wowhead and i've found that hybriding the prot talent Reckoning with enough ret talents to deal good damage really works for PvP. Problem is, you need to be hit for it to work, so in PvE, unless you're tanking, it's essentially useless. Kings is good though, and so is improved devotion aura... I suppose it is dependent on the quality of player you are, and if you can support both PvE and PvP in that effect.

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